Tagged: awesome, crafting, is, progression, Raddo, suggestion
Hi guys! Raddo the bard here!
Just giving you my thoughts on the crafting system, it’s current state and how it can be improved. As a disclaimer so I don’t get a ball of lightning in the face next time I log in, this is all just meant to be constructive, not insulting. Now in no particular order:
Well, thanks for hearing my opinions! I’m sure you’ll agree they are all correct and you will soon praise Raddo the Bookbinder!
Also, I just wanted to add something, but I had to drive. I’m not sure how it is now, but naming conventions should be widespread. I can understand the need for the material name, but hopefully for a body piece I could use vest, shirt, overcoat, jacket, etc. This is just flavor for flavor’s sake, of course, but why not add more to RP? See, ended with a loaded question, now you HAVE to do it.
Bump, I’d like to get further recommendations for the crafting system, espeically outright buggy aspects that need to be fine tuned
Reply:
Well I just noticed this topic thanks to Zusuk’s bump, as far as what Raddo said, I don’t really see a huge problem with the crafting system. The only thing I would definitely like to see are help files for each of the various crafting skills. I think giving a couple examples of what you have to do to get exp and raise specific skills can go a long way to helping new people understand how it works.
Exp:
One thing that I do agree with that Raddo said is that for crafting in general, the skill(s) that get the exp should relate to the item that’s being made. I understand that the supply order part of it was to be random and if so that would be fine.
Costs:
Most of the custom items you can make by buying molds will sell to npc, you just have to find ones that you know have unlimited cash to be able to buy them, not all of them do, plus having a high charisma and training in the appraise skill will help you get mats cheaper and higher price for stuff you sell. *any gear you are wearing with charisma effects will affect this*
Supply Order tips:
The exp and gold you get from doing supply orders is tied to your char level, so I suggest waiting till at least level 5 before you start working on this as a “career”.
Each supply order you get is random, and as you will see after doing it, some of the items requested will have lower material costs. You can also quit and get a new supply order anytime you want, so by picking and choosing the ones that give you the lowest cost, you can maximize the profits you get. After getting a new supply order, in the score screen it will tell you the type of material you need to complete the order. The cheapest of these from the npc are planks of wood, copper portions, and iron bars. These are the cheapest ones to get and by picking and choosing, you can accept supply orders to sell for a profit.
There are also areas in the world where you can harvest the materials you need without having to pay for any materials at all. Of this will take time, persistence, and a lot of travelling to find the harvests, but from a purely monetary point of view, it will benefit you. Plus by doing harvesting, you will also gain exp in your craft gathering skills.
Long-term:
What I would like to see and get more information on how to do it is, being able to make custom items that have bonuses and perks that players would actually want to use and would pay good money for.
I envision it to be that certain bonuses and styles would require much higher levels in specific crafting skills that your “weekend crafter” would not be reaching for a very long time.
Plus combining different types of crystals and adding them to the recipe, as well as exotic materials, would make for a very sought-after and rich crafter.
Another thought in response to Raddo’s comment about speed. I came from a mud that I played for a very long time. Speed at which you got levels just by doing crafting was around 50-60 hours of active playing which at that time I was doing in about a week. Granted the char exp you get by crafting on here is pretty low, but here you have actual crafting skills that you level. In perspective, here it’s a lot easier to get char exp by doing combat, in any class, than it was from the mud I used to play. For a fighting-type class, it would take you about 2 days to gain a level, almost 3 by the time you got to the upper levels, so for me, this is totally different and a lot faster than what I was accustomed to. There were 2 classes on that mud whose main exp was from crafting alone. Neither one of those classes could get much exp by doing combat, so had to rely totally on crafting to be able to gain levels at all.
Okay, after extensive testing, here are the types of materials needed for the supply order quests: leather, bronze, steel, *iron, burlap, cotton, hemp, wool, satin, *wood, *copper
* are the cheapest 3 materials to start with and easiest to make a profit using
As noted in above post, the price you get for the supply order is dependent on your char level, so even at level 1, with a lot of perseverance you can turn a profit if you just stick to wood or copper items. This will also depend on your charisma/appraise levels as well. Higher levels will give you more of a cash reward, so that makes it easier to profit plus higher levels give you more exp as well.
As an added thought to those new crafters out there, something else that’s good to know. You get gold and xp for each supply order you do, the amount you get will be 170*level in gold and 140*level in xp. That’s why I mentioned above that you should wait at least a few hevels before starting this so you will make sure that you can at least turn a profit or be able to keep going it without running out of gold. I’m still plugging away at this and raising my charisma through items when possible. As a monk, can’t really devote much to charisma or the appraise skill… unless I respec for just crafting… but probably not worth the extra effort and time it would take.